Proposed unit lists. Germany is pretty much hammered out (I think?) and US as well to an extent. Brits and soviets still very much undecided, but nothing for any nation is fixed yet - as far as I’m concerned, nothing is untouchable yet.
Sturmboot 39 â€“ Cheap, weak water transport (transport ~10 inf) â€“ GERSturmboot39 (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Schwere Sturmboot â€“ Light Assault Infantry landing craft (1x20mm, transport ~30 inf) â€“ GERSchSturmboot (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Siebel Fahre â€“ Light Assault Heavy Equipment landing craft (3Ã—20mm, transport 1 tank) â€“ GERSiebelFahre (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Minenraumboot â€œR-Bootâ€ â€“ Minesweeper/light gunboat (1Ã—37mm AA, 3Ã—20mm AA ) â€“ GERRBoot (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Schnellboot 1939/1940 â€“ Fast Attack/Torpedo boat/Minelayer (2-6Ã—30mm, 2Ã—20mm, 2 x Torpedo Launchers, Mines) â€“ GERSchnellboot (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Vorpostenboot â€“ Main Line Patrol/Interception craft (2Ã—105mm, 2Ã—37mm, 1-9Ã—20mm, Depth Charges ) â€“ GERVPboot (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Artilleriefahrprahm â€“ Slow/Shallow Draft direct land support craft (2Ã—88mm, 8Ã—20mm) â€“ GERAFPrahm (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Marinefahrprahm â€“ Heavy Assault Transport (1Ã—75mm gun, 3Ã—20mm AA, transport 200 infantry or 3-4 tanks) â€“ GERMFPrahm (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Type 1939 Flottentorpedoboot â€“ Heavily armed cruiser: low armor, short range; (5Ã—105mm guns, 4Ã—37mm AA, 2-9Ã—20mm AA, 6 x Torpedo Launchers) â€“ GERFlottenTorpBoot (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Type 1934 A Destroyer â€“ Heavily armed/armored destroyer (5Ã—127mm 5-inch guns, 2Ã—37mm AA guns, 3Ã—20mm AA guns, 2 x Torpedo Launchers) â€“ GERType1934 (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Rubber Dingy - Light River-crossing infantry transport - USRubberDingy (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Pontoon Raft - Light River-crossing vehicle transport - USPontoonRaft (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
LCVP - Infantry Assault Landing Craft (2 x .30 cal MG) - USLCVP (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
PT-103 “Elco” Patrol Torpedo Boat (1 x 20mm, 2 x twin .50 cal MG)- Light Patrol/Torpedo Boat - USPT103 (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
PT-200 “Higgins” Patrol Torpedo Boat - Heavy Patrol/Torpedo Boat (1 x 40mm, 1 x 20mm) - USPT200 (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
LCT - Tank Landing Craft (2 x 20mm) - USLCT (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
LCI - Large Infantry Landing Craft (~200) (4 x 20mm) - USLCI (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
LCS(L) - Landing Support Craft (1 x 3-inch, 4 x 40mm, 4 x 20mm, 4 x .50 cal, 10 x 5-inch rockets) - USLCS (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
PCE-842 - Patrol Ship (1 x 3-inch, 3 x 40mm, 5 x 20mm, Mines) - USPCE842 (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Buckley-Class Destroyer Escort/Frigate (3 x 3-inch, 2 x 40mm, 8 x 20mm, Torpedoes) - Light Frigate - USBuckley (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
John C. Butler-Class Destroyer Escort/Frigate - Heavily-armed Frigate (2 x 5-inch, 4 x 40mm, 10 x 20mm, Torpedoes) - USJohnCButler (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
Fletcher-Class Destroyer - Destroyer (5 x 5-inch, 6 x 40mm, 10 x 20mm, Torpedoes) - USFletcher (Model, UV, Texture, Script, FBI, Balance)
[size=85]US Navy ships were a lot different than German ships, I’ve found out. Whereas the USN had the obvious advantage in large-size ships (battleships, cruisers, Destroyers), when you start getting to frigate/corvette and smaller-sized ships, they’re actually quite weak. Compare the Higgens and Elco PT Boats with their German counterpart, the S-Boot; the S-Boot has multiple high-caliber automatic weapons whereas the Elco has only a single 20mm and the Higgens an additional 40mm. The Germans also have the R-Boat which fits a nice role as a light patrol ship. After the PT Boats, the next smallest ship is the comparitively large PCE (essentially a Corvette) which, although large, has somewhat shitty weaponry (a 3-inch (76mm) gun; compare this with the two 88mm guns on the Vorposten). US “Destroyer Escorts” (which everyone else calls Frigates) are also rather weak when compared to German Flottentorpedoboots. The LCI is also outgunned by its counterpart (the MFP, with its 75mm gun), but the LCS(L) probably outperforms the AFP, with its battery of 5-inch rockets, which will do quite a bit of damage to enything close by.
Also, the PT 103 Boat w/ rockets is something talked about on Wiki but I cant find any other info for it; it seems like it might help with the US Navy’s light firepower but it may be unecessary.[/size]
Storm/Assault Boat - Wood and Canvas folding boat (12 troops)
Vosper MTB Type I - Light Fast Attack Torpedo Boat (2x 20mm, 8x 8mm MG, 4x 18in TT)
Fairmile D - Motor Torpedo/Gun Boat (2x Autoloaded 57mm, 2x 20mm AA, 8x 8mm MG, 4x 18in TT or 2x 21in TT)
Bangor Class Minesweeper - Minesweeper (1x 76mm, 1x 2pdr AA)
Flower Class Corvette - (1x 102mm, 1x 2pdr AA, 2x 20mm AA, 1x Hedgehog, DC)
River Class Frigate - (2x 102mm DP, 10x 20mm AA, 1x Hedgehog, DC)
Modified Black Swan Class Sloop - (6x 102mm DP, 12x 20mm AA, 1x Hedgehog, DC)
Hunt Class Escort Destroyer - (4 or 6x 102mm DP, 16x 2pdr AA, 2x 20mm AA, DC)
Q - Z Class Destroyer - (4x 120mm, 4x 40mm AA, 6x 20mm AA, 8x 21inTT, DC)
Landing Craft Assault - Infantry Assault Landing Craft (36 troops, 1x Bren)
Landing Craft Mechanized - Vehicle Landing Craft (Upto 1x medium tank) (Probably not needed)
Landing Craft Tank Mk IV - Tank Landing Craft (9 medium tanks or 6 churchills) (Compare to LCT(5) of US which carries 5 mediums. Brits used them too but only 172 lend leased compared to over 900 British built LCT(4))
LCI(L) - Large Infantry Landing Craft (~200 troops, 4 x 20mm)
[size=150]USSR - yuri, edit this as needed[/size]
PG-117 speedboat - light transport/patrol craft (1 7.62 Maxim MG, capacity for 5 infantry). Already modelled. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/pg_117.htm
We need 1 torpedo boat. D-3 was much more numerous (73 units), while Komsomolets was more modern, but less common (32 units). And there also were G-5 boats numbering as many as 321 units, maybe I should do those instead?
D-3 torpedo boat 2x533mm torpedo tubes, 2x12.7mm MG, depth charges. 32t. 48knots. L: 21.6m, W:3.9m, Draft: 1.35m. Drawings: mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/d_3.htm This boat is a pre-war design, mostly wooden.
Komsomolets torpedo boat 2x450mm tubes, 2x2x12.7mm MG (later replaced by 2x2x20mm ShVAK guns). 23t, 48knots (2x1200 hp engines), length: 18.7m, width: 3.4m. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/komsomolec.htm This boat is a new, 1944 design. Aluminium hull.
BKA-1125 Armored boat - small river gunboat (T-34/76 turret with 76.2mm gun, 3 turrets with 12.7mm MG each). Smaller version of 1124. Modelled.
MBK sea-going armored boat 2xT-34/76 turrets, 2x45mm guns, 1x37mm AA gun, 2x12.7mm MG. Later 45mm guns were removed and 1 more AA MG mount added, tank turrets replaced by naval 76mm gun turrets, but that happened post-war. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/ma … nlodka.htm
MO-4 submarine hunter boat - patrol and escort craft. 2x45mm gun, 2x12.7mm MG, depth charges. 56t, length: 27m, max. width: 4.2m, speed: 30 knots (power: 3000 hp)
BMO armored submarine hunter - patrol/escort craft. 1x45mm gun, 1x37mm AA gun, 2x2x12.7mm MG. 2 depth charge launchers. Can lay mines (10 mines). 62t. Speed: 22knots main engine, 6 knots reserve engine (if main is damaged). Length: 24.7m, width: 4.2m, draft: 1.1m. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/bmo.htm
‘Tral’ class minesweeper - minesweeper/escort craft. 1x100mm gun (front), 1x45mm gun (rear), 3x37mm AA gun, 2x12.7mm AA MG. Minesweeping equipment. 18 knots. 450t. Length: 62m, width: 7m, draft: 2.2m. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/mina.htm
Pr. 43 border guard ship - patrol/escort ship. 1x102mm gun, 3x37mm AA gun, 2x12.7mm AA MG, depth charges. 600t. Speed: 16.8knots. Length: 67.5m Width: 7.3m Draft: 2.2m. Drawing: mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/brilliant.htm Mostly equal to a Vorpostenboot, but not built for fishing Actually it’s a modified BTSch-type minesweeper. This is a NKVD ship (as Border Guards were NKVD troops, not regular Army or Navy), but during war those ships served with the Navy.
Also, numerous US built lend-leased PT Boats, but those were used on the Pacific so had no encounters with German ships.
[size=85]Because of a number of reasons, Soviet capital ships spent most of the war in ports, so an action involving something larger than a destroyer would be something exceptional.[/size]
Zhelezniakov class monitor - river monitor (1 turret with 2x102mm, 3 x 45mm AA mounts, 2 x 37mm AA guns, 3 x 12.7mm MG turrets). Designed and built during 1930s, so still quite modern by the WW2 time. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/zheleznyakov.htm
This one (actually there were 6 of them, but only 1 survived the war) was used on the Black Sea and surrounding rivers.
Novik class destroyer 2-5 x 102mm guns (varies), 8-9 torpedo tubes grouped into 3-4 launchers (varies), various AA weapons (varies). A part of large destroyer series built during and after WW1 (some ideas taken from British destroyers), many were still in service during WW2. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/novik.htm
Were remarkable for their high speed during WW1, but by WW2 that was nothing exceptional.
Ships of that type had quite a different armament (because of focus shifting from artillery to torpedoes and then back a few times during their construction), and were upgraded several times before WW2.
This one is probably obsolete for inclusion? No more than 5 of that type survived the war, most others were sunk in 1941-1942.
Smerch class heavy monitor - heavy river monitor (4 turrets with 2x120mm each, 2x37mm AA guns, 5x12.7mm AA MGs). Heavy armor (for such a small ship). Those ships were from pre-WW1 era and still weren’t surpassed by anything in their class by WW2. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/storm.htm
Not used in Europe though, all of them were on the Pacific (Amur river flotilla), so I’m not sure they should be in.
Destroyer ‘Project 7U’ class 2x3-tube 533mm torpedo launchers, 4x130mm gun (4 single-gun turrets), 2x76mm universal gun (2 signle-gun mounts) - can fire AA, 7x37mm AA gun, 8x12.7mm AA MG. 37knots, length: 112.8m, width: 11m, draft: 4m. Drawings here: mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/stoyky.htm
Used on all theaters (except Pacific).
Destroyer leaders - those can even pass for light cruisers, but they were called destroyer leaders. Also known as ‘super-destroyers’. Aren’t those a little too out of scale?
Destroyer leader ‘Tashkent’ (ship built in Italy for the USSR, all weapon systems are USSR built) - ‘super-destroyer’. 2893t, length: 139.8m, width: 13.7m, draft: 4m, speed: 43.5 knots, power: 130000 hp (!!!). Weapons: 6x130mm gun (3x2-gun turrets), 6x37mm AA gun, 6x12.7mm AA MG, 3 x 3-tube 533mm torpedo launchers, 2 depth charge launchers, 1x2-gun 76mm AA turret (installed in 1941). The ship was described as having insufficient AA weaponry for the size though. Nicknamed ‘the blue cruiser’. Intended for high-seas fleet action (which it never seen). mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/tashkent.htm Only 1 ship built. Used on the Black Sea.
Destroyer leader ‘Project 38’ class - fully USSR built ships. Weapons: 5 x single-gun 130mm turrets, 2x76mm signle-gun turrets, 5 x 45mm gun mounts, 4x12.7mm MG, 2x4-tube 533mm torpedo launchers. Speed: 41.2knots max, 25 knots avg. 2260t, length: 127.5m, width: 11.7m, draft: 3.59m. mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/ships/baku.htm
Used on Baltic and Arctic.
Type M submarine, XII series - a small submarine, designed such that it could be transported by rail (important feature considering vast Soviet spaces and the distance between naval theaters). Weapons: 2 x torpedo tubes (no spare torpedoes, so 2 shots only and then go back to base for rearming), 1 x 45mm deck gun. Speed: 8 knots submerged, 14 knots surface. Displacement: 258t. Length: 44.5m. Used on all theaters.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_M_class_submarine (some of the info seems to be lost in translation though, Russian sources describe them a bit differently)
Tenders - those were built in beseiged Leningrad mainly to ferry supplies across Ladoga lake, although landings were considered, too (so they received some armour). After the siege was lifted, the ships were used on Baltic Sea, Black Sea and various rivers, including those in Germany itself (when Red Army reached there). They are rather slow, but their small size makes them a hard target for aircraft - out of 117 units in use on Ladoga, none were lost despite numerous air raids. The are powered by ZiS-5 engine and have a very simplistic design so they can be mass-produced quickly and cheaply when needed.
15-ton tender - small transport ship, partially armoured, armed with 12.7mm DShK. Can carry 25 soldiers. Speed: 5 knots. Modelled.
25-ton tender - almost the same, only larger. Can carry up to 60 soldiers. Modelled.